>> ^gwiz665: I have no problem with a restaurant adding an extra fee if you are a big group, but I have a problem when they try to call it a tip or gratuity. That's the whole issue, it's not gratuity, it's a bill. I pay tips in restaurants when I've gotten good service, or we had difficult orders or whatever - but I CHOOSE to pay it, I'm not forced to it.
Your opinion is skewed because 1) You don't live in America, and 2) You didn't work in the terrible food industry of America.
Before you start downvoting me and before you stop reading what I have to say, let me explain: I'm not against you not being American, (because that's a simple-minded way to go about judging people) but the food industry here is bullshit and the system (for lack of an actual person to blame) forces workers into this reality. When a tip is not paid by a customer, it's akin to docking a worker's pay. I know it doesn't make that much sense, but it's how things turned out over here. And it's as simple as that from a restaurant worker's perspective.
My next point is also important to your understanding: The total tips that a waiter/server makes at the end of the day is split up amongst the food runners, bussers, and barback, so not tipping has a trickle down effect to people who may have done their share of work yet who rely on the waiter to make their fair share.
It really is a shitty shitland of shit for the workers who live by these rules. I fault your ignorance of our food culture, not your ability to reason. I'd love to adopt the system you envision, but that means nothing in the short term and isn't too realistic.
It shouldn't matter if the "Mandatory" was posted or not. A tip is a reward for good service/going above and beyond. I absolutely wouldn't pay it either if I received bad service - period!
There is no argument that would convince me otherwise - I'm close minded on this stance!
What other business or service industry demands a mandatory tip? Imagine...
1). Valet - Yes sir we parked your car, but you can go find it yourself, we're kind of busy right now - By the way, I demand a tip before you go looking for your car.
2). WalMart - I have no idea if we carry that. No, I don't have time to find out for you, but if you find it, we're adding an 18% gratuity to your bill on the way out.
3). Paperboy - I don't care if your paper arrives 3 days late on every issue, I'm a busy guy. By the way, you owe me a tip!
4). McDonnalds - I added napkins and a straw to your order, that will be an extra 18% or I take the food back.
5). Jewelery Store (yes, retail does pay minimum wage) - That will be $300 for the ring and we're adding on an extra 18% because we've decided we're such nice guys.
we already have added to our bill a mandatory 5% GST (Good and Service Tax) effective July 1, 2010, this tax will be replaced by a mandatory 13% VAT (Value Added Tax) Now who's killing the local restaurant businesses...
$50.00 Restaurant Bill $06.50 Mandatory 13% VAT $09.00 Mandatory 18% TIP $65.50 TOTAL That's quite a difference to the price listed on the menu.
Reminds me of my cell phone bill. A $30 per month plan with all connection fee, the service fee, the 911 fee and minute plan ends up coming to $80 per month, yet they still advertise it as a $30 per month plan. And that's a stripped down plan - no messaging or caller id.
>> ^blankfist: Better wages wouldn't really work in the food industry. It's a tough racket, and restauranteurs typically couldn't afford to pay the wait staff minimum wage. And raising the menu prices would mean less customers and eventually less customers eating out.
How is arbitrarily multiplying the bill by 1.18 any different than raising the prices? Aside from not being apparent ahead of time, that is.
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Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
I have no problem with a restaurant adding an extra fee if you are a big group, but I have a problem when they try to call it a tip or gratuity. That's the whole issue, it's not gratuity, it's a bill. I pay tips in restaurants when I've gotten good service, or we had difficult orders or whatever - but I CHOOSE to pay it, I'm not forced to it.
Your opinion is skewed because 1) You don't live in America, and 2) You didn't work in the terrible food industry of America.
Before you start downvoting me and before you stop reading what I have to say, let me explain: I'm not against you not being American, (because that's a simple-minded way to go about judging people) but the food industry here is bullshit and the system (for lack of an actual person to blame) forces workers into this reality. When a tip is not paid by a customer, it's akin to docking a worker's pay. I know it doesn't make that much sense, but it's how things turned out over here. And it's as simple as that from a restaurant worker's perspective.
My next point is also important to your understanding: The total tips that a waiter/server makes at the end of the day is split up amongst the food runners, bussers, and barback, so not tipping has a trickle down effect to people who may have done their share of work yet who rely on the waiter to make their fair share.
It really is a shitty shitland of shit for the workers who live by these rules. I fault your ignorance of our food culture, not your ability to reason. I'd love to adopt the system you envision, but that means nothing in the short term and isn't too realistic.
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
There is no argument that would convince me otherwise - I'm close minded on this stance!
What other business or service industry demands a mandatory tip? Imagine...
1). Valet - Yes sir we parked your car, but you can go find it yourself, we're kind of busy right now - By the way, I demand a tip before you go looking for your car.
2). WalMart - I have no idea if we carry that. No, I don't have time to find out for you, but if you find it, we're adding an 18% gratuity to your bill on the way out.
3). Paperboy - I don't care if your paper arrives 3 days late on every issue, I'm a busy guy. By the way, you owe me a tip!
4). McDonnalds - I added napkins and a straw to your order, that will be an extra 18% or I take the food back.
5). Jewelery Store (yes, retail does pay minimum wage) - That will be $300 for the ring and we're adding on an extra 18% because we've decided we're such nice guys.
I could go on...
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
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Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
we already have added to our bill a mandatory 5% GST (Good and Service Tax)
effective July 1, 2010, this tax will be replaced by a mandatory 13% VAT (Value Added Tax)
Now who's killing the local restaurant businesses...
$50.00 Restaurant Bill
$06.50 Mandatory 13% VAT
$09.00 Mandatory 18% TIP
$65.50 TOTAL
That's quite a difference to the price listed on the menu.
Reminds me of my cell phone bill.
A $30 per month plan with all connection fee, the service fee, the 911 fee and minute plan ends up coming to $80 per month, yet they still advertise it as a $30 per month plan. And that's a stripped down plan - no messaging or caller id.
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
Better wages wouldn't really work in the food industry. It's a tough racket, and restauranteurs typically couldn't afford to pay the wait staff minimum wage. And raising the menu prices would mean less customers and eventually less customers eating out.
How is arbitrarily multiplying the bill by 1.18 any different than raising the prices? Aside from not being apparent ahead of time, that is.
Couple Arrested for Not Paying Tip
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